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Re: 1600 mild street engine buildup

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:14 pm
by Tony Z
in my opinion, if you are going to use a stock crank and limit it to 5000rpm, then I wouldnt bother balancing anything. VW balanced their bits to a (shitty) tolerance, but their engines have survived plenty years.
If you want to make the engine run smoother, balance the pistons and conrods. But the speeds you want to turn, you are wasting money on the crank.

Re: 1600 mild street engine buildup

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:08 pm
by Edmond
Thanks for clearing that up Tony Z it will save me R650 if I dont get the crank balanced, the conrods I got from Dave came balanced already and he said he could balance the pistons for me so thats sorted then.

Re: 1600 mild street engine buildup

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:12 pm
by dubster
O ok...but wouldnt a 1835cc be nice aswell?for daily driving?search wentzel and just give him a pm...maybe he'll et them go for cheap...use dont use it...he offerd me them but didnt mention a price,seriously what can it hurt??anyway watching carefully to see what you do so i can follow suite, any pics of that filter setup yet?later edmond

Re: 1600 mild street engine buildup

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:16 pm
by dubster
Hey R650 closer to a 1835cc!nuge nuge wink wink...lol

(ps.sorry if it looks like it seems im trying to rub the 92 thing of on you,im not,im just scheming if you can score them......if not,why not?)

Re: 1600 mild street engine buildup

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:54 am
by Edmond
Hey Dubster thanks for the lead on those 92's I have pm'd him will let you know what he says.
Im not a big fan of the 92's heard a lot of hate speech about them due to their thin walls but a lot of people seem to run them without problems
thats why I wanted 90.5's same wall thickness as 1600 sleeves but will see what happens.
If I do go 1835 will get a c/w crank and a 110 grind cam then
I haven't forgotten about the pics of the filter setup

Re: 1600 mild street engine buildup

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:02 pm
by Edmond
Dubster here are the pics of the oil filter setup
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Re: 1600 mild street engine buildup

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:10 am
by dubster
Thanx alot edmond!what exactly do you need to do it?that oilpump coverplate with the oulet,the case taped for the return pipe,the adpater for the filter and a filter and pipes?

Re: 1600 mild street engine buildup

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:48 am
by Tony Z
Dude, I hope thats proper oil hose.

Re: 1600 mild street engine buildup

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:12 am
by Edmond
TonyZ its proper oil hose can withstand high temps and 300psi pressure got the hose and fittings from Hyflo.
Ive had the hose on the car for almost 9 years never had problems or leaks despite it being pushlok hose
Dubster what you mentioned is all you need its really simple.
The oil pump cover plate and filter adapter ive got is Dave Ingle DICE items its really good quality stuff dont know if theyre still
available though

Re: 1600 mild street engine buildup

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:33 am
by Rabid_ant
Running the same on the Speedster and it really is that simple. The beauty is adding a external oil cooler, just a couple of pipes and you're on your way. I'll be adding this shortly into the setup!! As far as i know, Dave R. can sort the cover plate. If you need a blank, let me know, i might have one on my spare casing!!

Re: 1600 mild street engine buildup

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:22 am
by Edmond
DaveR says my heads should be ready by the end of this week will pay him a visit tomorrow
also got to get a few more goodies from him
I emailed DaveR the other day about the 92mm sleeve kit and he says I should stay away the cylinder walls are too thin on them and they dont last so will stay with the 1600 displacement

Re: 1600 mild street engine buildup

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:19 pm
by fig
IMO, regardless of how high you want to rev your engine, a counterweighted crank and dynamically balanced engine will pay for themselves in increased engine life. Also, if you build the bottom end right, then you can upgrade the engine spec later by working only on displacement, heads and valve train, without having to split the case again.

My 63 Dormobile is powered by a stock, balanced 1600TP with CW crank. It runs smoother, cooler and feels more powerful than any of my unbalanced engines. I don't think I'll ever build another type1 engine without a CW crank and balancing.

Re: 1600 mild street engine buildup

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:14 pm
by Edmond
I can still go the CW crank route as this motor buildup is still in the parts collecting phase will chat to DaveR
about the CW crank and see whay he can do for me I think he said the CW cranks are R1400 with balancing
its a bit out of my budget but maybe I can sort something out

Re: 1600 mild street engine buildup

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:13 am
by Edmond
There was a problem with one of the the valve seats in the heads so they will only be ready next week wasn't DaveR's fault though while he's doing the heads Im having him fit single hd springs as well as sorting out the broken exhaust studs, in total its going to cost R1040 for redoing the heads and thats including new guides installed,seats recut,studs and plug threads repaired, 2 exhaust valves and the single hd springs, I supplied the new valves except for the 2 exhaust ones
Going to get the crank gears,cylinder studs and a set of s/h barrels from volksie world today might get the main and con rod bearings from masterparts if I have time

Re: 1600 mild street engine buildup

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:58 pm
by Edmond
I got the crank gears,cylinder studs and a std set of sleeves and pistons on saturday
Will get DaveR to check out the sleeves and pistons
also got the conrod and main bearings too but the mains have a +1 flange I
need a set with a +2 flange on the No1 bearing 030 thou on the crank and
40 thou on the casing