Project Aircooled Efficiency-(57 beetle)

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Project Aircooled Efficiency-(57 beetle)

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This is an ongoing project that started back in 1984. Idea was to develop an aircooled vw engine for reduced fuel consumption without loosing power,if possible gain some power.

The idea was not new,it has been done before by various people.There was just little interest in the subject. Most people just wanted more power.Overseas fuel was still cheap compared to their owner's salaries.
Before the first fuel crisis in 74,priorities were different. Performance,driveability(no flat spots cold or hot) and reliability was most important. Along with ease of manufacture and low cost. Fuel was so cheap that consumption was a low priority.

After 74 priorities were changing. Most manufacturers were starting to adapt their cars for lower fuel consumption. Vw started developing their watercooled range long before the fuel crisis.(After taking over Auto-Union).The decision to start moving away from air cooling was made before the fuel crisis. Vw could simply not afford to improve their aircooled range at that stage.

Back to the project. Was deciding between a superbeetle body,(round windscreen), oval body,(low windshield with better curve above windshield) or Karmann Ghia. The ghia would be far easier,with its lower aerodynamic coefficient and low roof.
However wanted a daily driver,with space for large objects or 4 people if needed. Always wanted an oval,so the decision was made.

In 1984, after some searching, a 57 was found in a shed on a smallholding near Pretoria.

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Took ten years of hard work to get it going.
In the meantime,started to experiment with an engine in my 78 beetle.

Will post more info tomorrow.
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Re: Project Aircooled Efficciency-(57 beetle)

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wow, and is that you also with the beetle?
have nothing on the cards now, but have a red beach buggy in sight that I want
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Hey Dawie
I was waiting for you to come out with this. Thank you, I shall be subscribing :mrgreen:
Yes that does look like a young Dawie in the picture :D
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Post by Pine »

Very interesting, Dawie - thanks for posting!

An old man once told me about a fuel saver patent he made for his Beetle engine many years ago - something to do with an additional reservoir that is filled with diesel, and is mixed with the petrol vapours - I did not understand it, but he swore that it worked!
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That is def a young Dawie
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Meanwhile, chose a 1300 dual port engine as basis. Dual port engines has more torque than singleports, all the way from 1400 rpm, and i needed max torque to pull a taller gear ratio,while keeping cc's down.(Fig posted the graphs some time ago).

The idea was to optimise various aspects.Like the factory would have done if they had stayed with air cooling. Gain 2% here,another 3% there,everything adds up. No major tricks that was'nt known at the time. Studied the technical difference of early beetles,that used less fuel. Bought various technical books.

Got a set of twin Solex carbs from an SP beetle,fitted that to the 1300. Tried various jettings.Bought an exhaust gas analyser.(Actually it measured egt,but it was better than nothing.) The idea was to go as lean as possible in the part load area,(slight throttle,) without loosing power at full load. Lean at slight throttle cannot burn valves. It's like trying to heat a thick bolt with a tiny number one nozzle in an acetylene torch. At full load one has to be careful.

Decreasing the air correction jet richens the mixture at full load. Then a smaller main jet can be used.
Did acceleration tests with as stopwatch at various speeds.(To compare different jetting.) On the same level road,drove at 80 kmh,in 3rd,then floored at a certain mark on the road. Started stopwatch at 90 kmh (to reduce effect of accelerator pump) and stopped watch at 110kmh. Repeated 3 times and took average. Also took 70 to 90kmh times in 3rd,and 50 to 70kmh times.Then did same in 4th gear,(for low rpm accelleration comparison).

Removed carbs many times for jet changes and repeated accelleration tests.Had the exhaust gas meter connected while driving. Changed the pilot jets as well,and later the pilot air jets as well.(Pilot air jets are pressed in,not avaiable separately,Had to solder them and carefully drill.Tried various float level settings.

The Brazilian made Solexes has a different emulsion tube than the German 32/34PDSIT. It is pressed in on both versions.
Was'nt happy with the results.Bought a set of carbs from a 1700 kombi. Used the centre castings of that,while keeping the throttle bodies(to keep linkage working) and upper part of the Brazilian carbs.(To keep aircleaners.)
All this to try the different emulsion tube. Also bought carbs from a 1500 type 3,to get the 23mm venturies from them.
Then repeated accelleration tests. Wanted to go as lean as possible without loosing power.

Removed those carbs so many times for jet changes,can almost do it blindfolded.
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Re: Project Aircooled Efficciency-(57 beetle)

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Wow Dawie,this must have taken you months.
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Very nice thread.............I'm in.
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Re: Project Aircooled Efficiency-(57 beetle)

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Photo shows Brazilian upper and lower carb castings,with German centre casting,(with the different emulsion tube).

Before each acceleration test,first drove the car for the engine to get hot. However,still had problems with inconsistent times.Accuracy was important for comparison purposes. The times were faster with a hot engine. Cylinder head temperature was going down while waiting for a clear road,sometimes had to wait long for a gap to do a test.

It turned out the engine was overcooled.The previous owner had removed the thermostat flaps. Installed the thermostat system and problem solved.By the way,found that it regulates at 120 deg celsius (Cyl. head temp) on my engine. At 130kmh it eventually sees 140deg,unless its very cold. Hottest ever was 160 deg,at 150kmh in 36deg weather. When entering 60kmh zone in a town after 130kmh on highway, flaps start to partly close,regulating heads to 120 deg. Found that flaps stay fully closed for first 9kms on highway. In town it takes up to 12 km before the start to regulate,(partly opening). Even though thermostat is marked 65 deg,it is not in direct contact with the head.

Believe some later south american beetles used a thermostat that opened at a higher temperature.Some late type 4 engines as well.In future may try one of them.

Must ad that all the cooling tin and seals are in place. Also used bottom cylinder cooling tin designed for the late US fuel injected type 3. Its use is controversial, and i see why. These are reproductions and they dont fit well. Took a few days of brazing pieces of plate onto them and filing with needle files. Like other late seventies engines,it had a slightly smaller crank pulley,so i fitted a bigger one from an early seventies model. In retrospect i dont think it was neccessary.

VDO cyl-head temp gauges usually read to 300deg cels. They use an uncompensated thermocouple that fits in place of the sparkplug washer. Complicates plug replacement,and they measure the difference between head temp(hot thermocouple junction) and the "cold junction" inside the gauge.
Wanted better accuracy.Found a VDO cyl-head gauge made for a Deutz diesel engine. It reads from 60 to 200 deg,so the scale is more spread out. Also easier to notice when its hot,needle closer to upper end. It uses a thermistor sensor similar to the oil temp sensor,just made for 200 deg instead of 150 deg. Not affected by temperature at the gauge. Tested sending units in boiling water while connected to gauge,they were accurate.

Mounting the sending units was difficult. Found a space at the bottom of the heads,in the middle close hetween the combustion chambers. That is a hot air area,sending unit is not affected by cold cooling air. Made adaptor blocks from aluminium. Had to be a perfect fit for proper heat conduction. Used Prussian Blue,(think that is wat it was called) to see where it made contact. Used a needle file and sandpaper.Took a few days to get a good fit. Used a grub screw to keep adapter in place. Used high-temp heatsink compound.

There is a sending unit in each head,with a switch under the dashboard.
Cyl head temp and oil temp is not directly related. Head temp changes quicker than oil temp. Head temp is more related to load,while oil temp is more affected by high rpm when there is more friction and wear. (Also have the vdo oil temp gauge).
Read the following in a US magazine:
During a test of different performance parts on an engine dyno,it was found that just adding high pressure valve springs, it lost a few hp,(which generated a few kilowatts of heat,resulting in higher oil temp.) That was a std 1600 with 1.4 to 1 ratio rockers.
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Dawie so the tops are from 32 PDSIT's and the middle's from 32/34 PDSIT'? What is the bottom from?
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Bottoms are also 32mm, from same carb as the top. The 32, 32/34 and 34 pdsit carbs have interchangeable parts. The throttle body,(bottom part) is 32mm on the type 3 and SP beetle.Different linkage arms on the throttle bodies. 411/412 and kombis had 34mm.
The twin carbs from the South African SP beetle were made in Brazilia,and marked : H32/34PDSI-2 and H32/PDSI-3. (Left and right. Centre section has emulsion tube holes of different position and size on various models. For instance the 1700 kombi carbs jet totally different from 1800 and later carbs. Brazilian carbs need even more drastic jet settings for the same overall mixture.

Recently changed to a complete set German carbs from a T25 aircooled combi.(Rejetted them,fitted smaller venturies and modified the accelerator pump system). Had to make my own linkage and aircleaners.Only the manifolds from the SP beetle are still used.

By the way the European 412LS and porsche 914 used 36/40 PDSIT carbs on the 1800 T4 engine.(Never came to SA). It has 85hp. Some industrial versions of these engines were sold recently in Brittain,they came with the high performance 36/40pdsit carbs!
The jetting on these carbs were interesting the way they came from VW. Small air correction and small main jet, for standard mixture at full load and leaner at part load.(Haynes manual for the VW/Porsche 914)

At one stage was considering using Weber 36 IDFs,would then have to make small venturies (23 or 24mm)for them.Finding small enough jets would be a problem.And would need small diameter inlet manifolds,for high port velocity,which is not available.
In any case that would be defeating the object,would be expensive. So would be fuel injection (Although the idea is still far in the back of my mind).
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Re: Project Aircooled Efficiency-(57 beetle)

Post by Blitzkrieg »

Hi Dawie,

Nice thread that you have here and it's very interesting. Looking forward to seeing what happens!
So would be fuel injection (Although the idea is still far in the back of my mind).
I would love to see what would happen if fuel injection was applied to this engine and what the final outcome on fuel mileage would be VS carbs.

To do EFI is relatively expensive, you can buy many litres of fuel for the cost of the dyno runs that are needed to properly tune it :wink:
If it's too low, you're too old :twisted:
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Re: Project Aircooled Efficiency-(57 beetle)

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Hey Dawie, like you I have also toyed a lot with twin solexes and found the ultra rate 1700 carbs T4 the best of the stock carbs.
Solex kadrons are a newer design and more tunable in my opinion the best single choke twin carb setup available.
For better consumption nothing beats the gains from using a later AS tranny with a 4th gear from a fleetline.
Twin carbs on the open road will beat a single center mount any day, but in stop go traffic (town) it's the opposite.
I found that the later T25 aircooled 34mm carbs main jet is lean as to conform with emission controls of the day last set I had main jet was only 0.125 for a 2L that is tiny, in my opinion they should not be less than 0.130 in there.
If I remember correctly the 1700 carbs ran a 1.30 main with a 24mm choke which ran very well in a 1600 T1 all I did was to increase the air jet to 0.120
& .50 idle
I also ran a set of kadrons on the same motor with a huge diff in prefomance. 0.135 main 28mm choke air jet (can't remember) with 0.55 idle.
In an aircoled motor it's better to run a slightly rich mixture that one that is spot on, it helps keep head temp. down.
Have you got more spec. on jetting of the various carbs? and what ignition?
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Actually do have an AS gearbox with a 0.82 4th gear,fitted the gear myself. Distibutor-modified centrifugal advance curve and different vacuum biscuit for more vacuum advance. Different camshaft.Many other little changes.Still coming to that later.

Calooker you are right with the 1700 carbs. Didnt want to bother people with too much detail. For standard SP aircleaners or any aircleaner that sits close on top of the carb, 1700 carbs worked best. Tried 1800 and 2l carbs,they were untunable with that aircleaners. Lean at the top end.
Tried extending the aircleaners, there was only enough space for about 10cm extension.Made a very small improvement. Then made a sort of velocity stack insert to reduce inside diameter.Another small improvement,but nowhere near what i wanted. Then returned to the trusted 1700 ones for many years.

On my 1800 T4, (in a split doublecab) rejetted the carbs long ago and they responded extremely well to that. Could'nt understand why they did'nt work in the beetle. Kept bothering me. Then one day decided to give it another try. This time had the aircleaner elbows from the 1800 attached for a test. Just roughly fitted to get the same length as the kombi aircleaners. And a very small 112.5 main jet. 24mm venturi at that stage. Surprise surprise! Now the 2L carbs ran richer at
full load than they did with the 122.5 jets and shorter aircleaners. And very smooth.
Seems they want the 22 to 23cm length like the kombi aircleaners. 12cm isnt nearly enough.

Made special aircleaners. The inlet tract is extended through the middle of the aircleaner element, for 23cm length. Then at the top it flares into a plenum,that pulls its air through the aircleaner elements. Very tight fit. Also considered using a centre aircleaner,would be easier to fit the required length.

This is the earlier attempt to lengten the SP aircleaners,didnt have enough length.

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