Hydrogen fuel kit

[Tony Z]

Hoohaa

We'll arrive at about the same time... I dont have dates yet.
We can discuss how to save the planet while making a braai

[vader]

And burn huge amounts of wood in the process.....

[ZeroAxe]

OMG Ron, you had me in stitches. But I see your point

Never been a tree hugger, probably never will be. There is just not enough "trade-off" Loved the comment about not being here when the earth eventually cools down Not a true-er word said!

I a mstill wiping the tears off

[vader]

I know this is still in the early stages and hasn't even made it out of F1 yet, but I had a brain fart when my gas mix got wonkie...

Blablablabla
And then there is the environmental concern: It takes electricity to electrolyze hydrogen. Where to get it from... Well, obviously not from the alternator in the self same car, ag no , man, really, guys, think! No, it needs to come from somewhere else. If you don't have a petrol station with a pompjoggie with a BSc MechEng near you, then you would have to make it yourself. Apart from the rather expensive compressor you would need (a clean diving air one coz it has to be oil free otherwise ka-fakking-blueee-by-itself-ee!!) you also need an electrolysis cell. Nasty things those... filled with lye which drops holes in your duco, jeans, skin, eyes etc. But all that's OK, we still need to get to the energy balance.
electrolyze hydrogen
We all know it takes energy to convert energy from one form to another, so: electrical to chemical to thermal to kinetic, and lets say each process is 66% efficient (which is very realistic, by the way, and very generous), any numpty can very quickly see that it will take twice as much energy in as you get out. 33% x 3 conversions is almost 100% loss... (I know it doesn't quite calculate like that, but for this arguement, it's good enough.) So if electricity is half the cost by kW/hr as the same amount of BTU's of petrol or diesel, then you are indeed onto a cost saver. I suspect not, but let's carry on and say your noble goals transcend money, you are in fact, a tree hugger.

Not always a bad thing if you don't mind paying lots of scheckles to keep the air clean just for some oke driving past in a badly tuned ACVW to fak it all up again in a hurry, no, it's about setting an example... Well, in that case, there is some truth in this. But only if you get your hydrogen made from electricity generated by a nuclear power station, you will actually not contribute to the carbon emmissions while driving your car. Of course you should not breath either, let alone fart. Nor smoke either, but that's because you wouldn't live long enough to feel good and claim credit for being a tree hugger when the earth starts cooling down again. Whether a nuclear MW produces less CO2 than a fossil fuel MW in the bigger CO2 balance of things, eg Uranium enrichments plants, Uranium mines, spent fuel processing plants etc, is another issue.

You could of course electrolyze some hydrogen by wind or solar energy, but why bother, it would take a month to drive a minute. That's a matter of power density. The one factor that tree huggers alway forget about. Or better yet, get your hydrogen straight from the Nuke: radiolytic decomposition of the reactor coolant water results in the production of hydrogen. All you need is lead underjocks...

Hopefully this helps clear the air... (still feeling OK, JohnH? )

With F1 developing KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) {for MTM } would that not develop the energy required to electrolyze the hydrogen?

What you think Ron?

[Ron&Gill]

Anything is possible within the realms of the laws of energy-mass conservation. KERS just stores the kinetic energy of the cars as kinetic energy in a flywheel (or rather four flywheels). The best form of "KERS" I've read about is on electric cars, where, when braking, each wheel motor turns into a generator which recharges either a battery or a Hydrogen fuel cell. But that's not the same as electrolysis of water to produce free Hydrogen (free as in H2(gas) not free as in no cost)

[karmakoma]

some very good points, but this one on Hydrogen power in SA context MOST RELEVANT methinks , and I qoute:

Imagine 100 000 little fuel-air bombs driving around the city in all kinds of conditions, patina-ed from POS to Rat-look. Fak-that.

BWAHAAAHAHAHA

[ZeroAxe]

some very good points, but this one on Hydrogen power in SA context MOST RELEVANT methinks , and I qoute:

Imagine 100 000 little fuel-air bombs driving around the city in all kinds of conditions, patina-ed from POS to Rat-look. Fak-that.

BWAHAAAHAHAHA

I would rather quote about the "Skaap" filling it up!!!

[Ron&Gill]

Ja, "maak vol, Skaap" isn't a R&G original... it comes from either a very early Schuster movie or one of the other candid-camera movies, OR a petrol station advert. I can't remember. I think it's the skit where the Boer from Ventersdorp pulls in and tunes the pump attendant "Maak vol, Skaap" and said skaap pulls out a filthy oil rag and starts buffing the oke's windscreen, hehe.

Of course it wouldn't fly in the New South Africa because of the choice of colours, but that notwithstanding (meaning if the pomp joggie had been as white as the driven snow) it would still have been funny, pomp joggies being, on the whole, not exactly neuro-surgeons regardless of hue.

[ZeroAxe]

Tee-hee-hee

Ja, loved the scene where Schuster wipes the dipstick on the Ventersdorp fella's tie, where he then gets a **(sies man, mag nie daai woord gebruik nie)** klap!!

[Ron&Gill]

Ja, he knows exactly where to krap what oke's gat. Regardless of creed, ethnicity or religion, Schuster will get under your skin. He's absorbed quite a lot of klappe already... Die bliksem.

But did you here when the radio guy got him over the speed fines on the Porsche (on the subject of air cooled) they used in the one movie? I don't know if it was Wackhead Simpson, but it's similar. And man, does Schuster not take well to his own medicine, hahahahahahaha!!!!

[ZeroAxe]

Spot on!!! Hy is al DIK geklap Havent heard about the radio-saga. Must've been a real lekker lag he shouldn't take it that bad, for years and years he had it coming

[Ron&Gill]

PM me your email address, I have it here somewhere, I'll look for it, but don't hold your breath, you don't know my intricate filing system I have here... It actually quite simple, you have thousands of folders all with meaningless names. It's all in there,... somewhere... and duplicated 28 times... and backed up.... etc etc.

[karmakoma]

Here you go:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAj5Lea6 ... re=related[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAj5Lea6 ... re=related

[ZeroAxe]

PM me your email address, I have it here somewhere, I'll look for it, but don't hold your breath, you don't know my intricate filing system I have here... It actually quite simple, you have thousands of folders all with meaningless names. It's all in there,... somewhere... and duplicated 28 times... and backed up.... etc etc.

We have more and more in common!!!!! Sounds like you have an exact image of my hard drive!!!! I also have copies of copies and back-ups of back-ups. I NEVER have enough HDD space, no matter how many drives I acquire


Is it just me or cant you guys sleep either? RE-WATCHING "The day the earth stood still" ..... (and re-reading the forum over and over again....)

[Ron&Gill]

Spot-on.

Hy's ook n fokken aap, daai Wackhead, met Mrs Balfour se tande. Ek het amper-amper van Sir Lowry's pas afgery toe ek daai storie gehoor het. Hehe...